In just over a year, the price increase for some horns at Thomann, as a point of reference, is between (the equivalent of) $1200-3000. Well I kind of did the Drama Queen stunt there.I'll admit that.īut since I'm on the lookout for an upper-tier medium bore horn, new or used, I can't help but gawk at the increases I see in both used and new horns. Courtois MSRP for the original New Yorker horns was like 12k. Holy mother of cows how prices have gone insane! I don't buy brand-new horns so it's not relevant to me, but whatever they're doing is apparently broadly in line with industry norms.ġ.5-sized pieces work fine on my 613H, despite the insertion depth being slightly nonstandard. The concept of MSRP in general does seem strange it's not the price anyone is going to pay, it's not even a target price, it's. On another point I always had problems making a 1 and 1/2G work on the Yamaha basses but if they have, indeed, "fixed" the pipe on these I'd be curious to try one. MSRP seems like an old way to do business. Yes, understood, however I wouldn't pay 1 half of MSRP for a new Bach 50 these days. Specs also list a new, approximately Yeo-sized mouthpiece that's supposed to come with it. That's same ballpark as MSRP on a standard rotor valve Bach 50B3, so obviously not the actual music store price. Now the bigger question: is the YBL-835 leadpipe really a "new" leadpipe, or did they just machine off 3-4mm from the top of the receiver on the 613H/830 leadpipe. Though that's also true for the Duo Gravis design. They also could have just taken the leadpipe, which is two piece, and shortened it from the machined receiver end. They rarely seem to make a change without a good reason, and they made that pipe for the 613H, instead of using a pipe they already had. I've always wondered what the reasoning Yamaha had for the larger engagement. There's actually supposed to be a "step" in the receiver due to this. I think the Duo Gravis leadpipe was an attempt to have a more continuous taper from the throat of the mouthpiece through the leadpipe. Ask people who play Shires trombones how the lead pipes have changed since the very beginning, especially the bass pipes. My favorite 1 and 1/2G goes too far into the Yamaha basses. However many of todays mouthpieces have different shanks than what was available years ago. I was repeating what someone else said and why I put "fixed" in quotes. WGWTR180 wrote: ↑ Wed 6:55 amI didn't say something was wrong with the lead pipe. I didn't say something was wrong with the lead pipe. Other trombones, such as the King Duo Gravis, were designed with a leadpipe that had a longer shank engagement as well, but no one claims that pipe needs "fixing". I'm always curious as to why people think something is "wrong" with the leadpipe used on the 613H and 830. WGWTR180 wrote: ↑ Wed 5:40 amYes, understood, however I wouldn't pay 1 half of MSRP for a new Bach 50 these days. The new bass model and all variations will come standard with a gold brass tuning slide. 500" bore slide model with the smaller 7.5" bell (897Z) that comes from the factory with a gold brass tuning slide. The 891ZD comes with a gold tint lacquered, yellow brass tuning slide. I got the impression that was standard, but perhaps it's an option? He's where I got the info that they come with gold brass tuning slides now. I was messaging with a newly minted Yamaha artist recently about a mouthpiece he was selling and saw he was playing an 891ZD. That's true - the pics on Yamaha's site and the others I looked at after reading your post, don't seem to reflect this. The ones pictured for Chuck Levin's and Thomanns both look to have yellow brass tuning slides. The 891ZD's pictures I have seen don't seem to show a gold brass tuning slide, but it is harder to tell even without colored lacquer. Yamaha uses Gold tinted lacquer currently, so it can be tough to tell.
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